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RE: [syndication] Digest Number 273

Hi,
Just to say that I wrote to the guy who wrote this article to explain that
Moreover didn't invent RSS, flattering as the idea may be. I don't think we
can seriously claim anything of the sort and we aren't going around
suggesting we did - honestly :-).
Dave

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
David Galbraith - Chief Architect, founder
Moreover.com - the dynamic web
david@moreover.com
415-577-8828 (US)
0777-565-8880 (UK)
favorite webfeed:
http://www.moreover.com/xml

> -----Original Message-----
> From: syndication@yahoogroups.com [mailto:syndication@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 1:26 AM
> To: syndication@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [syndication] Digest Number 273
>
>
> There are 7 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Moreover + RSS?
>            From: "Alis Marsden" <alis@contentrelations.com>
>       2. Re: Moreover + RSS?
>            From: "Dave Winer" <dave@userland.com>
>       3. RE: Moreover + RSS?
>            From: "Jeff Barr" <jeff@vertexdev.com>
>       4. Re: Moreover + RSS?
>            From: Mike Krus <mkrus@newsisfree.com>
>       5. Re: RSS Clients
>            From: Morbus Iff <morbus@disobey.com>
>       6. Re: RSS Clients
>            From: David Carter-Tod <wccartd@wc.cc.va.us>
>       7. Re: Moreover + RSS?
>            From: Aaron Swartz <aswartz@swartzfam.com>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:07:08 +0100
>    From: "Alis Marsden" <alis@contentrelations.com>
> Subject: Moreover + RSS?
>
> A quote from recent a ClickZ article suggests Moreover created RSS:
>
> http://clickz.com/article/cz.3921.html
>
> "Moreover has taught the rest of us a lot...It has also made its tagging
> technology, RSS (Rich Site Summary), the de facto standard for content
> syndication."
>
> Also about the FAQ, I'll be taking all the comments given and getting the
> doc finished at the weekend.  Just been busy all week!  Thanks to everyone
> that wrote.
>
> Alis
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 06:31:03 -0700
>    From: "Dave Winer" <dave@userland.com>
> Subject: Re: Moreover + RSS?
>
> This kind of stuff happens all the time in Internet "news" -- that article
> is more of a brochure than it is a news story. Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alis Marsden" <alis@contentrelations.com>
> To: <syndication@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:07 AM
> Subject: [syndication] Moreover + RSS?
>
>
> > A quote from recent a ClickZ article suggests Moreover created RSS:
> >
> > http://clickz.com/article/cz.3921.html
> >
> > "Moreover has taught the rest of us a lot...It has also made its tagging
> > technology, RSS (Rich Site Summary), the de facto standard for content
> > syndication."
> >
> > Also about the FAQ, I'll be taking all the comments given and
> getting the
> > doc finished at the weekend.  Just been busy all week!  Thanks
> to everyone
> > that wrote.
> >
> > Alis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 06:38:20 -0700
>    From: "Jeff Barr" <jeff@vertexdev.com>
> Subject: RE: Moreover + RSS?
>
> You are right, the author does strongly suggest that Moreover invented
> RSS. Perhaps you can point him to the new FAQ and enlighten him.
>
> I know for sure that Moreover did not support RSS in the beginning.
> They started with a proprietary format that began with a <moreovernews>
> tag. I can still read it in Headline Viewer. Here is a single <article>
> tag  in their format:
>
>    <article id="_19255689">
>       <url>http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?x19255688</url>
>       <headline_text>For Sweet Mister, growing up is hard to
> do</headline_text>
>       <source>Boston Globe</source>
>       <media_type>text</media_type>
>       <cluster>Consumer: book reviews</cluster>
>       <tagline/>
>
> <document_url>http://www.boston.com/globe/living/bookreviews/</doc
> ument_url>
>       <harvest_time>May 18 2001 10:04AM</harvest_time>
>       <access_registration/>
>       <access_status/>
>    </article>
>
> Jeff;
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alis Marsden [mailto:alis@contentrelations.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:07 AM
> To: syndication@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [syndication] Moreover + RSS?
>
>
> A quote from recent a ClickZ article suggests Moreover created RSS:
>
> http://clickz.com/article/cz.3921.html
>
> "Moreover has taught the rest of us a lot...It has also made its tagging
> technology, RSS (Rich Site Summary), the de facto standard for content
> syndication."
>
> Also about the FAQ, I'll be taking all the comments given and getting the
> doc finished at the weekend.  Just been busy all week!  Thanks to everyone
> that wrote.
>
> Alis
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:31:13 +0200
>    From: Mike Krus <mkrus@newsisfree.com>
> Subject: Re: Moreover + RSS?
>
>
> Jeff Barr wrote:
>
> > I know for sure that Moreover did not support RSS in the beginning.
> > They started with a proprietary format that began with a <moreovernews>
> > tag. I can still read it in Headline Viewer. Here is a single <article>
> > tag  in their format:
>
> the format is still there:
>
> http://p.moreover.com/cgi-local/page?index_graphics+xml
>
>
> the nice thing about is that it contains the link to page from which
> the item was scrapped...
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:28:36 -0400
>    From: Morbus Iff <morbus@disobey.com>
> Subject: Re: RSS Clients
>
>  >Unfortunately, my strong point isn't javascript. However, the 50 line
>  >javascript I mentioned is available here for anyone interested:
>  >
>  >   http://sjoerd.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$20
>
> On a side note, here's another javascript XML reader.
> The live demo doesn't seem to work though...
>
>     http://www.jeremie.com/Dev/XML/
>
>
> Morbus Iff
> sig on other machine.
> http://www.disobey.com/
> http://www.gamegrene.com/
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:55:32 -0400
>    From: David Carter-Tod <wccartd@wc.cc.va.us>
> Subject: Re: RSS Clients
>
> At 08:40 AM 5/18/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >In article <0a7501c0df1d$8d20da40$33a1dc40@murphy>, Dave Winer
> ><dave@userland.com> writes
> > >http://www.wc.cc.va.us/services/news/
> > >> David Carter-Tod already has this service. Why didn't I think of it
> > >earlier.
> >
> >Thanks for this.
> >I'd thought of this, tried to find it and failed.
> >I'm still concerned about scalability here. My page is going to hit
> >David's ASP code which will need to execute, as well as the rss
> >publisher.
>
> Not really.  My code downloads a local copy to my server once a day and
> serves from that.  Only an update in Userland's changedStories.xml file
> will update a file otherwise.
>
> That said, my situation isn't currently very scalable, in the
> sense that I
> only have a 10-Base T-Ethernet connection and the service runs on
> a Pentium
> 90.  We plan to move the server which this is on to a Pentium 900 (or so)
> on a 100-Base T-Ethernet connection very soon.
>
> David
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:12:51 -0500
>    From: Aaron Swartz <aswartz@swartzfam.com>
> Subject: Re: Moreover + RSS?
>
> Jeff Barr <jeff@vertexdev.com> wrote:
>
> > You are right, the author does strongly suggest that Moreover invented
> > RSS. Perhaps you can point him to the new FAQ and enlighten him.
>
> This is true, but Moreover did do a lot to help popularize RSS.
>
> --
> [ Aaron Swartz | me@aaronsw.com | http://www.aaronsw.com ]
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