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Dear Morbus Iff

Morbus, if I could have one wish, I wish you would resist the temptation to
talk about my personality. It's unproductive and unreal (and a little
humiliating, for both of us).

Make a proposal. If you don't like RSS 0.92, and if you can get the RDF
people to get out of the way, I'll sweeten the deal. Just give me a chance
to exceed your expectations. I'm not as silly a person as you think.

With 20 big smileys. ;->

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: "Morbus Iff" <morbus@disobey.com>
To: <syndication@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [syndication] Dear Ken


> >1. I will stand down as the defacto leader of the simple approach to RSS,
> >2. I'll pass the baton to someone who isn't so convenient a target for
your
> >3. Along with this, you will also stand down, by renaming the RDF and
>
> Personally, although I like the plan, I don't think it will work. I'm of
> the Winer field of thought - RSS 1.0 is much too complicated and unwieldy.
> I will never create an RSS feed of that type myself - I'll use a proxy
> creator like Aaron Swartz's "Syndicate Your Page" to do something like
> that. In that regard, I'll probably stick with 0.91. Works for me (myself,
> I dislike .92, and by association, .93 and beyond). I don't need the
> complexity of RDF, so why should I bother to write feeds in that format?
> Newbies see RSS, and they say "ooh. I'll learn RSS." And then they see
> "RDF" and "namespaces" and "modules" and all this other crap. Newbies
think
> they need to learn everything. What should be an evening becomes a
weekend.
> Not good. I digress.
>
> I do think that Winer, respectfully, is a pain in the ass, and often goes
> overboard in conversations and his fervent flavoring. I don't think that's
> a fallacy of Winer, however. I agree with much of what he says, once you
> get past a lot of the flame/troll bait. I also, however, agree with his
> opponents, again, once you get past the flame/troll bait.
>
> I think Dave's personality will stop 1). It sounds good on paper, but I
> don't think Dave has it in him, on an inherent/instinctual level, to let
it
> go just like that.
>
> Regarding 3), I don't think the RSS 1.0 people will agree to that. While
> Dave's blinding fervency for .9x will never let him satisfy 1), I think
the
> blinding "no! this is helping the community" (even when I believe it's
not)
> of the RSS 1.0 people will stop them from doing the same. Dvorak etched
> this whole theory long ago - XML is heading toward a mass of people
> quibbling about which is right, which is wrong, and which is the best, all
> the while losing the ideals that supposedly made XML the future of the
Net.
> As Bray said recently, the net is too damn slow (or something like that),
> and its the fault of quibbling, not laziness.
>
> For newbies, they'll look at version numbers, and see 1.0 and think that
is
> the epitome of RSS, and the others were "beta tests". Newbies don't have
> time to worry about the intricate histories of the format, nor do they
want
> to be assaulted by overbearing camps about which is better. So, the
> leapfrogging forces the "newness" of newbies. Newbies inherently want to
be
> on the latest end of things, not learning old formats. That is one of the
> reasons Netscape leaped to 6.0. Why should people use a 5.0 browser, when
> IE 6 is just around the corner?
>
> Much as I bitch, I don't have a solution all that much either. Although, I
> think it's more along the line of 3) above. Renaming would solve a lot of
> things. Say you have RSS and RSS/RDF:
>
>    RSS is the Winer version. Because of the renaming of 1.0 to RSS/RDF,
>    it can climb in version numbers as dearly as it needs to. That
>    stops the versioning issue mentioned on the other lists.
>
>    RSS/RDF is a more descriptive term for the 1.0 format anyways.
>    I never liked the 1.0 monikker in the first place, not because
>    of Winer love, but because the inherent enhancements of the
>    format were untested in the syndication field.
>
> But who am I, eh?
>
>
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