RE: [syndication] RSS 0.91 - skips & optional stuff

["David Galbraith" <david@moreover.com>]

> Coool, now I understand. It's a special need for Moreover. They could put
> the URL of the story in the RSS file, but they'd have no way of tracking
> click-throughs. I said it in a previous msg, I think the next step is for
> Moreover to carefully write a spec as a proposal and put it on a
> website and
> revise it in response to feedback and additional ideas. Once specified, it
> would be easy to write guidelines for aggregators. Dave

Sure, will do.
However I certainly don't want to confuse things - as Rael says based upon
Ian Davis' proposal maybe this can go as an add-in module to an RSS spec.
I don't see how it's just Moreover who need this however, since in an
environment where RSS becomes the output of choice, the ability to isolate
portions from a channel and place them into another at the item level,
necessitates this.

DG

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:28 PM
> To: syndication@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [syndication] RSS 0.91 - skips & optional stuff
>
>
> Coool, now I understand. It's a special need for Moreover. They could put
> the URL of the story in the RSS file, but they'd have no way of tracking
> click-throughs. I said it in a previous msg, I think the next step is for
> Moreover to carefully write a spec as a proposal and put it on a
> website and
> revise it in response to feedback and additional ideas. Once specified, it
> would be easy to write guidelines for aggregators. Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Teter" <bigdog@bulldogbeach.com>
> To: <syndication@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndication] RSS 0.91 - skips & optional stuff
>
>
> > on 6/12/00 11:43 AM, Dave Winer at dave@userland.com wrote:
> >
> > > Dan, I want your RSS file to contain pointers to stories you feel are
> > > relevant, whether or not they are on Flutterby. On My.UserLand you do
> get a
> > > link back to your log when I get directed somewhere by you. And any
> > > affiliate that hooks into our story flow also knows where the
> link came
> > > from. Maybe I still don't understand the concern. Dave
> >
> > In general, I think it's up to each aggregator to provide credit back to
> > where they got the headline from. But I think the concern here is about
> > doubly-indirected story flow.
> >
> > Let's say "originator.com" writes a story and posts it on their website,
> > then it gets snagged via scraping, say by moreover. When I ask moreover
> for
> > stories in RSS format, I get an (indirect) pointer to the
> original story,
> > but there is no indication of its original source.
> >
> > I can then deliver that story (headline) to my users, but all I can tell
> > them is "via moreover", which isn't as useful as providing a direct link
> to
> > originator.com.
> >
> > When I aggregate content from moreover, I use the moreovernews
> XML format
> > rather than RSS because it includes extra tags for the name of the
> > originator, a link to their site, and a couple other useful things like
> > whether it requires registration or not.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind seeing this added to RSS, but I get worried
> about clogging
> > the spec with things like providing an "audit trail" for where headlines
> > came from (originator.com to moreover.com to my site.com to
> wherever.com...)
> >
> > PS: Congrats to moreover on their cash infusion! Now if only
> you guys can
> > get the AP to pony up... :-)
> >
> > --
> > Gary Teter, Big Dog
> > Bulldog Beach Interactive http://www.bulldogbeach.com
> > "Fun will now commence." -- Seven of Nine
> >
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