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RE: [syndication] Some suggestions for RSS .92
At 10:09 PM 10/13/00 -0700, Jeff Barr wrote:
My notes:
<date></date>
This would be very handy; many other formats contain this info.
We need to specify the format.
How many people agree on this one. I've added this as a poll question to
the list at http://www.egroups.com/surveys/syndication?id=362759
The vote will end on October 20th. We can discuss the format further if
enough people want it in.
<about></about>
Since this is optional most sites would not bother to include it.
The info would be handy to have, but most of the time when I
need this it is to find a contact at the site so that I can tell
them that they've broken their XML.
... and that's why it could be useful. I thought that it might be a good
idea to have it as part of the channel in case people want to offer more
info about a channel.
<wireless></wireless>
<broadband></broadband>
I don't like these at all. I would prefer to have a "syndication root"
on the site and have that file contain these items and also an
<rss></rss> item. See my example below.
<p3></p3>
Reasonable.
<sound></sound>
<video></video>
I do not think that these belong here. Let's keep RSS simple. I
would prefer to link these things through the syndication root
described above. If you were to have these wouldn't they belong
as part of individual <items> anyway?
As noted above it would be cool for a site to expose a syndication
root that catalogs the different types of syndicated information
that it makes available. Something like:
<root>
<dataset>
<dataname>Tristan's Stuff</dataname>
<rss>http://www.tnl.com/tristan.rss</rss>
<wireless>http://www.tnl.com/tristan.wireless</wireless>
<broadband>http://www.tnl.com/tristan.broadband</broadband>
<sound>http://www.tnl.com/tristan.sound</sound>
<video>http://www.tnl.com/tristan.video</video>
</dataset>
<dataset>
<dataname>Jeff's Stuff</dataname>
<rss>http://www.tnl.com/jeff.rss</rss>
<video>http://www.tnl.com/jeff.video</video>
</dataset>
</root>
This says that the site has 6 forms of the "Tristan's Stuff"
syndicated and 2 forms of "Jeff's Stuff". The implication is
that all of the things within a <dataset> are essentially
different representations of the same information.
That does sound like a better idea. A question, though (just to make sure I
understand this properly): this root file would be different from the RSS
channel file? If so, I think it would be really cool as a site could list
all the channels available in a root file. However, isn't that what the
Dublin Core tried to accomplish?
TNL
still a newbie at XML but trying to contribute :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tristan Louis [mailto:tristan@dorsai.org]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 12:19 PM
To: syndication@egroups.com
Subject: [syndication] Some suggestions for RSS .92
I'd like to suggest a few optional additions to the specification. Here are
some ideas I'd like to throw around for discussion:
At the item level:
<date></date>: This would allow us to specify a particular date for an item.
I think it would be nice for those of us who have several days' worth of
content in their RDF channel.
At the channel level:
These could be encapsulated in to an <external></external> section that
would include all links to outside of the channel.
<about></about> : Much like <link></link> points to the page the channel is
for <about></about> could point to a page of information about this channel.
this could link to a FAQ or more information about the channel.
<wireless></wireless>: Points to a page where wireless devices can go.
<broadband></broadband>: Points to a page where broadband devices can go.
<narrowband></narrowband>: Points to a page where narrowband devices
(browsers for blind people, text-only browsers, etc..) can go
<p3></p3>: Points to a P3P page to check the privacy rules
<sound></sound>: Points to either a VXML source file (which can be read by a
VXML browser) or a sound file. For example, it could serve up a radio feed
related to this story.
<video></video>: Same as above with video or SMIL file.
That said, here's what a source could look like (changes are bolded and URLs
are fictional (but I cut and pasted my .91 channel content for speed
reasons)):
-------------- Suggested RSS .92 code starts here --------------------
<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<!DOCTYPE NewDocTypeLinkGoesHere>
<rss version="0.92">
<channel>
<header>
<managingEditor>tnl@tnl.net</managingEditor>
<copyright>Copyright 1999-present, Tristan
Louis.</copyright>
<title>TNL.net Newsletter</title>
<description>Technology News from Tristan
Louis</description>
<language>en-us</language>
<rating></rating>
</header>
<image>
<title>TNL.net</title>
<url>http://www.tnl.net/presentation/images/TNLpalmlogo.gif</url>
<width>125</width>
<height>44</height>
<description>Technology News from Tristan
Louis</description>
</image>
<external>
<link>http://www.tnl.net</link>
<about>http://www.tnl.net/about/</about>
<wireless>http://wap.tnl.net</wireless>
<broadband>http://www.tnl.net/100Megabytepage.html</broadband>
<narrowband>http://www.tnl.net/forreallylightcontentpage.html</narrowband>
<p3>http://www.tnl.net/p3p.xml</p3>
<sound>http://www.tnl.net/myvoicebasedchannel.vxml</sound>
<video>http://www.tnl.net/myvideofeed.smil</video>
</external>
<item>
<title>Story 1</title>
<link>http://www.tnl.net/newsletter/anewstory.html</link>
<description>Can you believe this. We're actually describing
the content of the link here</description>
<date>10/13/2000</date>
</item>
<item>
<title>Some older story</title>
<link>http://www.tnl.net/newsletter/olderstory.html</link>
<description>Can you believe this. We're actually describing
the content of the link here</description>
<date>01/01/2000</date>
</item>
</channel>
</rss>
-------------- Suggested RSS .92 code ends here --------------------
As part of the deal, I'd also move the original channel link and image link
into the external field under a single link header (unless some people can
tell me where they have a different link for the image and the channel.
Your thoughts on this?
TNL
PS: Full disclosure time - My interest in syndication is related to both
past and present. For starters, I have my own personal web site that I use
to publish a newsletter (and offer a channel). Providing an easy to use
format for summary distribution is a great way to increase traffic to it and
expose people to my ideas.
Second, I'm starting a company called Moveable Media
(http://www.moveablemedia.com), which is trying to bridge the gap between
online and offline media. While online syndication is WAY in the future for
us (we're first focusing on providing tools that will allow people to deal
with freelancers), it is something that we are seeing as a potential future
arena for us.
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